law in pennsylvania was very, very weak. they had people who were, for example, testifying who were out of state, union workers who came into pennsylvania and allegedly went around and observed department of motor vehicle practices, not being followed, although they could produce no report. so they had people -- one of them was a moveon.org person and they had voters complain that an office wasn't open or a security guard handed them the wrong form and the list went on and on. very minor as far as we are concerned. but the plaintiffs didn't show that this law would in any way, shape or form disenfranchise voters. >> eric: those opponents, they may say they have major objections and even one person -- one who can't get the proper i.d. and could be denied the vote, that that is a violation of what this country stands for? >> no one will be denied the right to vote in pennsylvania. if you show up at a polling place under this law and you don't have your i.d., your acceptable photo-i.d., you can vote by provisional ballot and th